Confronting Islamic Terror

Several weeks ago I had written that Islam is the root-cause of Islamic terror. I had identified the Koran as the ideological source and motivation for the carnage that is conducted in the name of Islam.  Although I had said I’d follow that post with one which talked about confronting this menace, I hadn’t got down to doing so until Uzza (http://uzzas.blogspot.com/) called a foul on it. So here goes…(beware its a long post)

We must realize that Islamic terror is the singularly biggest menace we face because it is riding two torpedoes at once. On the one hand it is fueled by a dark-ages doctrine that sanctifies indiscriminate and self-righteous violence. On the other hand, it is equipped with a dazzling array of modern technology (including weaponry) with which to conduct its Jihad. This combination constitutes a lethal mix of ends and means.

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It would be less dangerous if Islamic militancy were only carried out on horseback with spear and sword. However, Islamists today have the internet for organizing, communicating, propagating and recruiting. They may not have nuclear weapons (as yet) but the weaponry that they do possess is more than sufficient because their adversaries are not the armed forces of the world but the unarmed civilians of the world (particularly the west).

Modern society and technology has shrunk the world.  A call for Jihad in Peshawar  will be heard and echoed in Paris or Portland. Notice how some cartoons in an obscure newspaper in little known Denmark aroused such crazed fury around the world in such a short time-span.

When a segment of a population of a billion and a half is equipped with the means to carry out a dark-ages manifesto with messianic certainty, how should the rest of us respond? It seems rather clear to me that we need to respond with full force and determination. This could manifest in a several ways but the determination to NOT GIVE AN INCH to such dark-forces should be clearly evident.

Civil dialog and discourse.

Multiculturalism has given religion in general and Islam in particular a free-pass. Not only are they exempt from taxes, they are also exempt from scrutiny and criticism. Discussing religion – particularly in a an unflattering light – is a taboo. This taboo assumes sinister proportions when the religion in question is Islam. The Islamists who show no compunctions against beheadings and stonings seem surprisingly touchy when one critiques or criticizes beheadings and stonings.

Western society is much too enamored of the notion that by treading gently around Islam, we will avoid giving offense. Do we tread softly in the area of Political discourse? What about economics? How about on movie reviews? Technology? – IPod or Zune?  AT&T or Sprint? We do NOT feel the need to be circumspect when examining any of these areas. But the moment we are discussing religion – particularly Islam – all of a sudden the abandonment of reason and common-sense becomes a virtue in the hope that the oooh-too-sensitive imams/ mullahs are not offended by our honesty. And what do we get for all this trouble? More violence, blood-shed and terror!

When Pope Benedict (no friend of mine) pointed to the inherrent violence of Islam, all of a sudden the delicate sentiments of the mullah-brigade were on display – ironically threatening violence as penalty for suggesting that Islam is violent. We need to stop catering to this horse-shit! We need to deride, scorn and marginalize such self-righteous indignation. Instead, we dignify it by attempting to mollify these bastards.

Take the case of the  muslim outrage at Tayside Police’s (UK) advertisement announcing their new non-emergency phone number. The reason for the outrage? The advertisement featured a cute puppy sitting in a policeman’s hat. Islam considers dogs as unclean and so the gentle sensibilities of the Muslims were jarred. Instead of treating such pricks with the contempt that they deserve, the Tayside spokesperson said: ‘We did not seek advice from the force’s diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused’.

Do you really blame the Islamists for throwing a tantrum when we are ever-so-eager to indulge their every whim? This is a problem we have created for ourselves (perhaps with best of intentions) which the Islamists are exploiting. It is therefore our responsibility to stop this pussy-footing and be firm about the basic rules of civil discourse – i.e. religion is getting no special privileges or exemptions and that goes for Islam as well.  If you don’t like it you can lump it! We should be free to say this without feeling that we are being inhospitable.

Once we draw the line and defend it forcefully, the Islamists will learn to stay within those confines – or if they find it too stifling they can always go to Saudi Arabia or Somalia for the pious life that they are pining for. That’ll learn ’em!

Military response

Given what foaming-at-the-mouth mullahs believe about their divine mission it is almost a certainty that sooner or later we will find ourselves facing a military option. We are already seeing the trend building up to a crescendo. 9/11, Bali, Beslan, London, Madrid, Mumbai, New Delhi, Gaza…. Admittedly, these are not centrally coordinated but they are also not devoid of a central theme. Islamic militancy has come into its own –  boot-strapping from previous successes and building upon it. One act of Islamic audacity in one corner of the globe provides the impetus for the next in another part of the globe. It is also undoubtedly true that western (US) mis-adventures in Iraq have provided several jihadists their cause – but it is’nt as though Islamists were distributing daisies before the Iraq invasion. Either way we area seeing a menacing confluence of means and motivation and it would be stupid of us to think that simply dialog and good-wishes would neutralize this trend. Sooner or later we will find ourselves in armed conflict with the armies of mujahideen who are committed to die for their cause – but more to the point, would like to take us with them.

The military option is the most forceful option available to us and we should not shy away from using it when the conditions so demand. We must be clear in our minds that we do not seek to kill Muslims for blood-sport. But we do seek to protect ourselves from the genocidal tendency that Islamic terrorism engenders. We must also recognize that Islamic terrorists have refined asymmetrical warfare into a fine art. They operate in *exactly* the manner that endangers their own civilians – i.e. by hiding and operating from civilian enclaves.  Hamas and Hizollah could very well operate from deserted regions. They choose to operate from thickly populous regions only to exploit our sensitivities about limiting collateral damage.

We must be able to take military action and accept the undeniable loss of civilian life as a tragic cost that must be borne. We must be able to articulate our position to ourselves that the loss of civilian life was made necessary by the tactics of Hamas / Hizbollah / Al Qaeeda / Lashar-e-Toiba / Jaish-e-Muhummad / Harkat-ul-Ansar…. and not because we love to bomb stuff.

As long as we are hamstrung by our inability to countenance large-scale civilian deaths, we are doomed to engage in skirmishes while the terrorists engage in death-by-a-thousand-cuts approach. When the tables are turned on the Islamists and they are shown that their tactics of hiding behind civilian populations will not deter us, we will force them into re-thinking their approach.

They are welcome to meet their maker (and the 72 virgins)  if their little hearts so desire – but they are not welcome to take us along for the ride. We should be willing to state that unambiguously from the business-end of an artillery gun.

Such an approach undeniably goes against our sensitivities but we must understand that brute force also has a nuanced vocabulary. The world of Islam understands that vocabulary and will respond to it. Look at the Islamic world and you will see well-entrenched despotism that operates with naked brutality. Of course it will not be quick and it will not be without bloodshed. But we must realize that while our actions can shed blood, our inaction can also shed blood – mostly our own.

Humanitarian assistance and Trade & Commerce.

The western world (including Japan and Australia) doles out enormous sums of money and resources whenever humanitarian crises arise.  While we should endeavor to make this world a better place, we should also not feel ashamed to leverage the value of this assistance. For instance, is it immoral for us to demand that the practice of clitorectomy (or female genital mutilation) be barred by law in places where our money goes? WHO estimates that over 90% of women in developing countries like Indonesia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt and Sierra Leone have undergone this barbaric procedure. I would say that it is immoral and discriminatory to ignore the plight of 50% of the population where we seek to do good with our funds. [ See story on FGM]

Similarly, we should insist that laws against honor-killings or honor-rapes (can you believe there is such a thing?) be enacted and enforced. We think that it is too unseemly to tie foreign-aid to influence domestic policy. However, I would argue that professing a moral ambivalence is no virtue either.  We must make our money do the talking.

Speaking of money doing the talking…. trade and commerce come to mind. We should be able to use our purchasing power to coax (and coerce if need be) governments into being members of the 21st century. I concede that we do not own the global market and rogue governments everywhere have other less scrupulous business-partners. But we should exert influence where we have it. We have been successful in curtailing child-labor and animal-cruelty through this process, surely we can extend that courtesy to those downtrodden in Islamic societies.

I fully concede that these measures are not directly related to Islamic terror – but they are aimed at curtailing Islam and its encroachment upon civilized life – and that is a decent beginning. Moreover, it conveys that Islamic barbarism is not off-limits and that’s a jolly decent thing too.

In conclusion

We must realize that the battle with Islamists is NOT a battle of ideas. It is not a debate over political ethics or an economic system. It is a battle for domination for them and a battle for survival for us. This battle is fought on two grounds.

  1. Our civil society upon whose kindness Islamists feed parasitically for special privileges.
  2. The unmarked and undesignated battlefields of Islamic terrorism that ranges from Afghanistan to Tel Aviv Gaza and beyond.

We cannot and must not flinch from this because Islamic terrorism is not going to show us the same courtesy.

Cheers.

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24 Responses

  1. Funny you call Tel-Aviv a battlefield. Having lived in a city neighboring Tel-Aviv all my life (and having studied there, served in the IDF there, and practically ran my entire social life there for years), I can tell you that Tel Aviv, itself, is not a battlefield. In fact, Tel Aviv is probably a unique city, there isn’t anything like it in the entire middle east! It’s the one place in Israel that is truly enlightened, it’s also one of the richest areas in the entire region, and most pluralistic, too.

    Anyway, the Israeli blogosphere is currently running rampant about the Gazan war, and believe it or not, there is a huge number of people here in Israel who are on the appeasing side. They believe it is our evil-doing that has led to the occupation, and that this entire colossal screw-up is our fault. I’m not saying we’re not somewhat to blame, but it’s not the fault of the Palestinians, as well: it’s their radical Islamic worldview.

    Hamas espouses total, tinfoil-hat-batshit-insane Islamic radicalism. There can never be true peace so long as this worldview is the core of Hamas ideology. Either Hamas gradually gives up on its apocalyptic zeal, or they go extinct in a bloody-feud with secular Israel.

    That said: I think that this particular war will gain us very little, and I’m also highly critical of the way this war started (it looks embarrassingly like a setup which the IDF was longing for, and much of the current escalation is our fault, as well) –
    But this I say to everyone, both anti- and pro-warrists: the way to defeat the evil that stymies the peace process is not through a path of bullets, shells and blood: it’s by textbooks and assimilation.

    Either the enlightened worldview of the renaissance prevails, of medieval Islamic Jihad does. One of these two will eventually have to exterminate the other: and the only way for peace in the region is by rooting out radical Islam completely. This will happen not by genocide, but by massive education. The Muslim world must realize that secularism brings prosperity to everyone (religious or not!) and the radical Islam brings only destruction, to everyone.

  2. Freidenker,

    Well… London, Mumbai or Bali are not actual battlefields either – they are locations that terrorists strike because they exemplify all that the terrorists find incompatible with their view of the world (including pluralism).

    I agree that Palestinians (or Muslims) by themselves are not evil. Its the fact that they are raised and conditioned by the Islamic outlook wherein evil arises. But how do you separate a muslim from his Islamic world-view? If you remove or reduce the Islamic world-view, he ceases to be a muslim.

    You seem to suggest that *massive education* is the key. If you look at the 9/11 terrorists or the ones in London 7/7 you will see that these are highly educated professionals (doctors, engineers, architects and some PhDs). These guys had traveled and worked abroad and hence had assimilation opportunities. In fact, their landlords expressed shock since they looked so well assimilated and were well educated.

    I’m afraid, education is not going to blunt Islamic zeal which is rooted in a 7th century mind-set (Hamas is a good example). Let me ask you: What incentive does Hamas have to allow “massive education” or “assimilation”? None. So they are going to lean toward bombs and bullets – and our job should be make them pay a VERY VERY HIGH price every time they try. Will this yield quick results? No. But it will send them a message that we will NOT succumb to coercion. Eventually they will get the message – but it will not be soon.

  3. Excellent post, well worth the wait. Your conclusion sucks though; of course it is a battle of ideas–the idea of a secular society, versus the idea of a religious society. And your two grounds are not really a useful distinction—the battlefields are wherever radical islam gains ground. Of course Tel Aviv is a battlefield; as are Rome and Tayside, both places where we have lost battles. Other than that, Freidenker’s comment’s are spot on; the military option is forceful, yes, but not effective. Ho Chi Minh pointed out that losing all the battles was irrelevant—they still won. Hamas does what they do because it works, and to think they will change if we kill more civilians is a fantasy, one that works in their favor. If they could be totally wiped out, So What? Something else will instantly take their place as long as the islamist ideology remains, and that ideology thrives on violence.
    Your other categories need to be promoted, because these things are effective. The Islamists are not afraid of bombs and bullets, but just look at the things they are afraid of: in the last week or so, popular music, Mickey Mouse, Barbie dolls, makeup, the internet, education….. These are the ‘weapons’ we need to use. The radicals are terrified of these things because they know the average human will reject their doctrine in order to have them in preference to some terrorist who offers only death. Unless of course, death is all the secular society offers too. If Israel had concentrated on ‘textbooks and assimilation’ (not to mention sewage treatment, hospitals, and air conditioning) over the past fifty years, would Hamas even exist?

  4. Uzza,

    I have to disagree. It is a battle-of-ideas for YOU. It is NOT a battle-of-ideas for Islamists. I’ll borrow a line from Pat Condell and say that “Religion has no ideas. It only has dogma and the job of dogma is to stifle ideas”.

    With all the wealth available to the Arabs, they have bought western products and amenities but they have chosen to reject western ideas of secularism and liberalism because it is incompatible with Islam. I have visited and/or worked in 3 middle-eastern countries and have seen this first-hand.

    You seem to be of the view that muslims will reject the doctrine espoused by mullahs if they could envision a better life. You are blogging the Quran yourself and you know that Islamic faith glorifies the after-life far more than the current life. On what basis do you think that for a devout muslim, barbie-dolls and mickey-mouse of this life is more fulfilling than divine grace (replete with 72 virgins) in the after-life?

    They have roads, sewage-treatment, hospitals, air-conditioning, schools, text-books, universities, libraries in Saudi Arabia. Yet Bin Laden prefer Jihad and several hundreds of Saudis finance terror. 15 out of 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia (others being from UAE & Egypt). Their motivation came from Islam and not from the lack of basic infrastructure.

  5. @Uzza:

    Perhaps you could clarify your notion about this “battle of ideas.”

    The idea offered by the West includes: freedom of expression, freedom of religious practice, tolerance of people with differing belief systems, and the right to pursue one’s own brand of happiness within broad contours (chiefly: don’t kill, rape, or steal) defined by the people through their citizen-legislators.

    What, exactly, is the competing idea offered by the Islamic world?

  6. What are you asking me for? If you want to know your enemy you need to listen to them, not me. It’s not like they are bashful about telling you.

  7. >What are you asking me for?

    Because you’re the one claiming that there’s a “battle of ideas” afoot. Surely, you’re not prepared to make this claim without being able to identify the ideas.

  8. i think what i read now is the vice of the lier Jewish post , satellites , & political mens …..
    you say ” freedom of ideas and actions ”
    but i see you have the same ideas and thoughts , please stop listening to deceived American & Jewish media …. please make your mind free not restricted to one side ,
    do you see our children there in GAZA ….
    if you don’t … search please and see Israel terrorism there ….you think HAMAS is responsible for these ….but do you remember the French revolution , do you remember Vietnam war , do you remember all revolutions and struggles all over the world to over come who settle the home & kill the children & womens …..Western people ….please stop that fanaticism …we aren’t as you imagine …
    we are people who love every people and wish happiness for all the world ….
    please enter the site which talk about our real Islam & merciful prophet Mohammad & you will know who we are ,,,,,,
    thanks ever on ….may Allah help us ….

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  9. Islamic Girl,

    I saw your video and also read your comments. Both are meaningless with regard to the conversation at hand. Before you dismiss other people’s writings please do them the courtesy of read them. Some of the people here are actually Israeli Jews who want to be more considerate and gentle towards the Palestinians.

    You keep talking about Christian excesses of the past… WHO CARES! Yes the Bible contains VIOLENT BULLSHIT. But there is’nt anybody who is flying planes into buildings because of what the Bible says. When was the last time you heard of a christian person or community stoning someone to death because of their beliefs or for supposed moral failings? Why is that so? Let me answer that for you: It is called “modernity”. Modernity tells us that we should not be cruel EVEN IF the Bible demands it. But this is not the case with the world of Islam. The NONSENSE of the Koran is actually happening today – in the 21st century – in the Islamic world. This backwardness is what we are talking about.

    I am willing to believe that you are a decent (muslim) person who loves everyone and wishes happiness for everyone – but you have no basis to talk about other muslims. Open any newspaper and you will see the actions of the faithful speak louder than your words.

  10. hello Mr .
    You see Islam and holly QURAN teachings are not compatible for modern time , are you supposing QURAN as Bible which written by the people to get personal benefits , we believe that pure bible descend on Jesus (pbuh) and , and this book had identical message as holly quran , it is message from ALLAH to the benefit of humans ,
    to guide them to the light ,
    to the love , to the peace ,
    to the all fit actions and make them aware of all bad actions ,
    that is the massage of heavens ( if you believe in ) , it was from GOD who create us and who know our goods ,
    you want to replace it by human mad system ?..certainly it will has many defects otherwise what we see now had disappeared,
    your democracy said ( don’t steal , don’t kill, don’t rape ) but what does democracy give people now ?
    Does it reduce murder rate ? ,
    does it decease rape or robbery rates ?..
    do you know why ? , because it is human made system , not guided by God ‘s instructions ,

    Sir ,

    you talk about modernity , and this word first appear in Islamic lands ., you may astonished , but let me return bake ( I love history much, if you want to know about true Muslims , search in their history , but now , true Muslims are masked by peoples who named by Islam , but never do what Islam want , briefly , great number of them like Christian who read in Bible “not to drink pear ,or to eat pork ” and drink and eat , )
    Do you know that there are many teachings in holly Quran praise thinking ,
    encourage people to discover and use their minds to get truth and faith ,
    many teachings of being merciful with people ,
    be kind on poors , children ,
    respect olds , obey parents and who need help , several instructions which organize national , social , economic , personal relationship , all these relationships to achieve the goal of happiness and prosperity of society , all these teaching to cause equality and balance between all social categories , I will give you example when Muslims attach their religion , they give light and civilization to all nations , what about our great scientists in andalous in Spain , during the era of Islamic succession which you fear from its coming , do you know our scientists in medicine ( IBN SINA , IBN EL-NAFIS , EL-RAZI) or in chemistry (IBN HAIAN , others ..) or in physics and math ( EL- KHAWARISMI ) and astronomy , biology , philosophy , or sociology , great number of them are educated now in europiane and American collages , during these age , scintests were burnt in dark europ and medicine men there considerd headache is evil soul in the patient and must make ahole in the skull to let it get out…..
    During these age the political Islamic life was dealing with all fair with all problems that occur either from believers or non believers , and jewish themselves confess that muslims deal and coexist with them without problems , do you know that the doctor of the Islamic governor was Jewish ????,…… and they say in every place that Muslims hate and torture them ??…..what a liars ….Jewish never live in peace except under Islamic succession and they know that very will ….

    Sir ,
    could you wander in ASHBELIA or GURNATA in SPAIN to see treasures of Islamic civilization ,
    see wonderful buildings , great mosques ., and ask yourself please , are those Muslims who I trying with all my efforts to make conflict around them and their religion , to attack their militant and describe them as terrorists ,
    are those Muslims who lead modern Europe to its civilization are with religion and book not compatible with modernity ???………please , some space for mind to think fairly……
    We find in our holly quran all teachings that make us good people if we do it ,
    and the chance is available for every people in the world , make our souls connects with our Creator
    who his blessings cover us and protect us ,
    teachings recommend us not to kill ourselves useless , when Muslim give his soul while defending his land , it is not useless value , it is great sacrifice otherwise if all Muslims stop and watch , their lands will be occupied ,
    We fight only when others start war , Islam orders us not to kill save people who do no harm for us , Islam is innocent from similar actions of killing or bombing save people , if something like that happen in the name of Islam , Islam is innocent and persons who do that are the only guilty ones . so please differentiate between Islam , and Muslims , Islam is the way made by GOD and there is no wrong with it , but muslims are people , sometimes be wrong , ang sometimes be right ,
    Thanks a lot ….

  11. Islamic Girl,

    You have said many things – most of which are unintelligible. You are obviously very devout and god-loving. I don’t care about god. I am more interested in my fellow-human rather than some sky-fairy.

    But I am not here to debate your beliefs. You are welcome to believe in Jinns, fairies, or whatever crap your heart desires. What I expect is that you will not let your beliefs trample over my freedoms.

    When I look around I only see Muslims being violent and blood-thirsty and incapable of living with others. And that is the reason why they need to treated with stern action.

  12. now i know ,
    sorry sir for interrupting you , go away in your mind droppings , i appreciate your feelings as i feel it , but , with respect you are very wrong to accuse Islam with terrorism because some Muslim people hurt you , you must see the matter fairly , you know than hendos make alot of massacre there in India in Muslims , i saw alot of videos about that , i don’t defend for any side as killing is awful thing , but the only thing that i will say is that Islam is great religion , make
    meaning to your life , please read again , and when you explain any word from our quran , please see Muslim explain and deal with the phrase as whole , not make it pieces as i saw in your topics , and know that every phrase in holly quraen has cause , an was in certain peoples , so don’t explain our quraen by your mind and mood , it make you claim alot about Muslims .
    thanks alot

  13. Here is the main difference between your view and mine.

    You say that just because bad (muslmin) people do bad things, that does not mean Islam is bad (even if they have done bad things in the name of Islam).

    I say that people do not start out being bad. Most human beings have a sense of right and wrong (like you). But it is religion that makes even good people turn into bad.

    All religions are capable of turning good people into bad (Islam, christianity, Judaism, Hinduism….) But the number of bad things that have been done in the name of Islam is just Waaaaay beyond everything else in modern day.

  14. (But it is religion that makes even good people turn into bad.)
    you say the previous word ,
    iam amuslim since birth , am i hating other people ,?? am i convert to bad one ???
    do i kill nonbelievers ?..no no no ,
    do you think that some times when i feel i am bad , i return my religion and strength this association between me and god , and i return to my happiness and safety , but please don’t generalize your point of view , i insist that my religion is n’t as you believe , quran here with me, and the prophet sonna , i find only all tolerance and love in them , do you know , my soul is not associated with book containing some words and recommends , the association sir is due to the GOD of this book , who create my hands which by it i typed litters now ,
    it is not simple to see i do’t need a god ,
    you mean you don’t need any of his blessings , as you you say ; i don’t need your air , water , food , sight , hearing, speaking , beautiful sights around me , my kind friends , my lovely kids , etc……

    ( But the number of bad things that have been done in the name of Islam is just Waaaaay beyond everything else in modern day.)

    you may be right , and you may mix between struggle of the settlers by militants , and killing people without any right , if you don’t know …Muslims are very angry now from what happens to their lands in Palestine , Iraq, Afghanistan , shishan , and others , and their presidents who are friends to America and Israel restrict their revolution , tell you that Arab people may explode in any time , they suffer more and more , do you know in Gaza now More than 1000 killed most of them are children and kids , and about 5000 injured ,
    now Jewish sir or Muslims , ???
    we are n’t in a competition , we hate blood , but you said (in modern day ).

    • Hello Islamic girl,

      I am from Holland, reading your posts. We are so different, you and I. We both of course abhor violence, but we disagree about how and by whom the violence is caused.

      You say democracy is mad man-made system. That it does not help us reducing the murder rate or help us in any way. That only God can give us good instructions to live well. Well, follow his instructions, part of which must be good, in your private life.

      But I like to tell you that democracy has made the world much better already. Did you know that no democratic state ever fights another democratic state? I know Israel and America fight, but they fight against HAMAS, Hizbollah, Iran, Saddam Husseins regime, Taliban, Vietcong, and these are NOT democratic people. Since 1945 there is complete peace in all of Europe, except for 1 small war, in Yugoslavia, no more.

      That there is crime, yes, but that democratic countries are the richest, happiest countries? That our women are being equally treated? This is because we all have rights, we may speak our minds, we are allowed to protest as much as we want. Because of that we think together as with one great mind, that helps us to make better countries. You should try Democracy too.

      Do you know that all great inventions came from Science? Which was developed in our Western countries first. Why do you think we became so strong, then rich? Because of science and democracy. Did you know that Islamic clergy opposed the printing press in Islamic countries for centuries? You use electricity, cars, planes, TV, computers, even guns, and endless lists of inventions by Science in our Democracies.

      Our people live twice as long as in the past, a lot of deadly diseases are no longer there, murder is much, much down. You see, we humans can do also many good things.

      If you must be Islamic, that is OK, we have many Muslims in Holland too, but please consider Democracy for Gaza. If Gaza leaves Israel alone, Israel will leave Gaza alone. So no more weapon smuggling, than no more blockade. And we will help you to become richter, happier, older too.

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  17. I read your comment. You know it’s very difficult to decide about such things. I agree with you that Islamic military action is very dangerous and I don’t believe that Mullas are interested in dialog; there is no dialog in religion.The religious belief that there is one sacred “Word”_ that of Allah, Jahova, The Trinity, or Buda- is the source of all problems that we rae confronted with. Bush used the same support og God to follow his military goals to achieve another Islamic(Shiaat) country(Iraq) in the region. I do believe that the source of these Islamic movement in the region was at the beginning the former Soviet Union and now it’s out of control. The conservative Islam of the different courts(Iran, Saudi Arabia and so on) has given place to the blind raging revolts of Gaza, Lebonan, and Chechen, the reactinary acts of Taliban around the world, and Islamic terrorism. Unfortunately the Western power is so interwoven in this structure that you can’t be sure of the comments you give and the reality of things. An American official once said “we make realities and as you are busy analysing or finding solutions we make other realities.” Very disappointing, isn’t it?

  18. i agree with you

  19. Very good article, very good site.

    You mentioned the possibility of military action. And I also think we Democrats can try to unite and fight back, but only peacefully. Richard Dawkins talked about demographics, which are on the side of the Muslims, who have bigger birth-rates than inhabitants of Western Democracies, while there is huge one-way-migration from Islamic Dictatorial Countries to these Democracies.

    This need concern us especially when many Muslims seem to be FOR

    the vast majority of the Muslims is against Democracy or supportive of a Dictatorial system. The battle is then between Democrats and Dictatorialists, who think man-made systems are bound to fail, and God-given systems must be installed.

    But we also know that so far at least the best of the Democracies have performed well economically and with freedom + health care and more when you compare them with Islamic dictatorial countries. That is why there is such one-way-migration in the first place.

    This is our trump-card. As it also is our trumpcard that our culture allows for criticism, admitting mistakes, improving minds and systems. How to use this economic trumpcard?

    Well, the one-way migration at least lets Muslims leave dictatorial Islamic countries. Where there is propaganda, with lying and deceiving and the free speech against it is severely stifled. And these Muslims go to societies where there is free speech! Now of course the present democratic world cannot receive an unlimited number of them.

    But it can make land for cities available, to develop economically, under strict democratic contracts, which must be adhered to. These cities are to be open to a great many would-be-refugees. Should Dictatorialists take over a new democratic city, then the inhabitants may flee again, to still democratic nations. We must take the gamble who eventually wins the more people; Islamic Dictatorial societies or Democratic ones.

    Let’s not concern us about LAND for now, that follows human minds and money eventually. Let us focus on ever more subjects of Democratic nations and ever less subjects of Dictatorial ones. Let us bring as many Muslims as possible under Democratic rule. We have already proven our governments, systems outperform theirs in many ways. Let there be a real healthy competition then!

    This will draw many young women, faced with gender-discrimination, and also young fighters, who now go to Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah.

    The problem is money. Land can be found somewhere, be it in Alaska, Canada, even Greenland or Siberia, both of which are now warming up a bit. Let us not invade Islamic dictatorial countries or fight in them, but let us use that money in a peaceful manner.

    This idea of MORE immigration is still very immature, but could we consider it?

  20. Very good article, very good site.

    You mentioned the possibility of military action. And I also think we Democrats should unite and fight back, even take the initiative, but only peacefully.

    Richard Dawkins, on YouTube, talked about demographics, which are on the side of the Muslims, who have bigger birth-rates than inhabitants of Western Democracies, while there is huge one-way-migration from Islamic Dictatorial Countries to these Democracies.

    This concerns us Democrats especially when many Muslims seem to prefer a “God-given” dictatorial system over Democracy. But in practice large numbers of them prefer actual Democracies over actual Dictatorial countries, (for whatever motive). When are Muslim leaders going to succeed in turning the migration-waves around? From Democracies to countries governed by “superior” God-given principles? Let them try!

    The “battle” could be one between Democrats and Dictatorialists, who think man-made systems are bound to fail, and God-given systems must be installed. But now we Democrats seem to “lose in 2 ways”; their countries are embracing many immigrants, a part of whom are possible “Dictatorialists”, while the Dictatorial countries still keep expanding in numbers. Under the same conditions that bred the Dictatorial outlook in the first place!

    But we know that so far, at least the best of the Democracies have performed economically, with freedom + health care, inventions etc much better than most of, or even the best of, Islamic dictatorial countries. That is why there is such one-way-migration in the first place. Even Saudi Arabia, or say Malaysia, to my knowledge attract only negligible numbers of subjects of Democracies.

    This is our trump-card. How to best use it? Well, the one-way migration at least lets Muslims leave dictatorial Islamic countries. Where there is propaganda, with much lying and deceiving, and where the free speech against it is severely stifled. And these Muslims go to societies where there are free speech and the other Democratic principles!

    Of course the present Democratic world cannot receive an unlimited number of them. But it can make land for cities available, to develop economically, under strict Democratic contracts, which must be adhered to. These cities are to be open to a great many would-be-refugees. Should Dictatorialists take over a new Democratic city, then its inhabitants may flee again, to still other Democratic nations. We must take the gamble who eventually wins the more people; Islamic Dictatorial societies or Democratic ones.

    Let us not be concerned about (mere) LAND for now, that follows human minds and money eventually. Let us focus on ever more subjects of Democratic nations and ever less subjects of Dictatorial ones. Let us invite as many subjects of Dictatorial Islamic governments as possible under Democratic rule. We have already proven our governments, systems outperform theirs in many ways. Let there be a real healthy competition then!

    This will draw many young women, faced with gender-discrimination, and also many young fighters, who now go to Taliban, Hamas, Hizbollah etc away from them. Forcing these organisations to create better conditions to keep these young people!

    The problem with this scheme is money. Land can be found somewhere, be it in Alaska, Canada, even Greenland or Siberia, both of which are now warming up a bit. Let us NOT invade Islamic dictatorial countries or fight in them, but let us use the money now used for that in a peaceful manner. And this goes for the whole 21st century.

    This idea of MORE immigration is still very immature, but could we consider it? At least it lets us take the initiative, instead of being AFRAID and on the defense all the time. It goes after positive goals. And it presupposes Muslims CAN live under Democratic rule, whereas Democrats CANNOT live under Islamic Dictatorial rule.

    • Hello Demsci,

      Firstly, thank you for visiting my blog and taking the time to share your thoughts. You make many admirable points and I am in agreement with most of them.

      I agree that western (democratic) principles are the foundation of progress. It offers people that are oppressed by Dictatorial regimes a vision of a better life. And since immigration tends to be one-way it is reflection of REAL choice exercised by those people.

      However, I have a feeling that having a “Military Response” as one of the options itself is somewhat unsettling to you. I do not say at any place that I advocate “invasion”. I think I have been reasonably clear that while we might find military action unwelcome, we are extremely likely to need it – simply because Islamists are guided to wages war on us by their belief system. Preparing for military action, therefore, is not an ideological position – purely a pragmatic one.

      One place where this is already playing out is in the Afghan-Pakistan border. We have no choice in the matter and hence we should exercise military might convincingly. Undoubtedly civilian life and property is at risk but that should not be reason to hold fire.

      We may not like the language of war – but we would be delusional to not accept that it does have its own vocabulary and grammar. This is the vocabulary that Islamists understand (since they espouse it themselves). There is therefore nothing wrong in exercising military might when circumstances so demand.

      Western sensibilities tend to be self-limiting in this regard. This is the reason Israel comes under heavy criticism for using force in Gaza but Hamas is almost exempt from responsibility when they willfully fire rockets from civilian enclaves.

      I’d like to invite you to read: Ethics of Proportional Response AND
      Religion of Peace (or War)

      I’d be most delighted to hear your views.

  21. dont waiste your time telling those RETARDS about democraty!!
    they claim that mohammed was good and mercyful.. what a F* king JOKE!!
    and he only took slaves to save them… yeqar right!
    FUCK ISLAM.. the most INTOLLERANT religion/politically system in the world!

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